Podcast

S3E3: Bridging the Divide: Practitioners as Researchers and Researchers as Practitioners

Slides from the Workshop can be found here.

Hi Everyone,

Welcome back to Dispatches from the Social Work Desk! This podcast episode diverges from previous episodes, in that it is a direct recording of the talk I gave this past Friday.

This past Friday I was the invited speaker at the Solution Focused Brief Therapy Association’s 2021 Research Day (part of their annual conference).

It was my honor and privilege to present on how dissemination of research, implementation science and SFBT intersect. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

The presentation and the Q&A/discussion after were recorded with permission from all those who participated, and are shared as well. Since there was a great deal of chat in the Zoom chat box I have included it on the webpage for this episode (just click on the link in the information/about and you’ll be taken right to it).

Talk Transcript

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15:05:48 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

TO hear about your work

15:05:57 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

Seeing ways how I can benefit as practitioner of SFBT research.

15:05:58 From  Sara Jordan  to  Everyone:

I echo michelle

15:06:05 From  Julio j. Martinez  to  Everyone:

learn about numbers and social work

15:06:05 From  Shaema Imam(inAtlanta)(she/her)  to  Everyone:

how can I be attached to research and continuous learning even after I finish this MSW

15:06:07 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

Curious how you bring research and practice together

15:06:10 From  Cynthia Franklin  to  Everyone:

New ideas for practice and research partnerships

15:06:14 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

How we can do SFBT Research as practioners.

15:06:15 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

how to innovate vs evidence base

15:06:18 From  Adam Busch he/him  to  Everyone:

echo Dominik

15:06:20 From  Abi Flanagan (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Sharing research to clinicians

15:06:23 From  cboyer  to  Everyone:

I don’t often think of myself as a research- but am super intrigued by the idea!

15:06:25 From  Mo Yee Lee  to  Everyone:

Some practical and innovative ideas on the integration

15:06:27 From  Karla GonzĆ”lez  to  Everyone:

to learn more about how you are bridging the gap!!

15:06:35 From  Ray Eads  to  Everyone:

How to close research-practice gap

15:06:36 From  Centrum Terapii CTK  to  Everyone:

how to research on my practice

15:06:36 From  Julie Dubuc  to  Everyone:

Happy to discover you!

15:06:37 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

Supporting you in your work!

15:06:37 From  Andreea Å»ak  to  Everyone:

how to bring research into practice

15:06:38 From  MOnica Rotner  to  Everyone:

Just want to hear what you have to say!!

15:06:45 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

See more practitioner at this meeting

15:06:50 From  Santou Carter  to  Everyone:

how to research your private practice

15:07:39 From  Ray Eads  to  Everyone:

Amount of time for research to go into practice

15:07:40 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

how far behind practitioners are from research

15:07:40 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

Your age?

15:08:09 From  Abi Flanagan (she/her)  to  Everyone:

That’s incredible

15:08:22 From  Karla GonzĆ”lez  to  Everyone:

OMG!!

15:08:31 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

Applies to medical research too, which is scary when you go to your GP

15:08:41 From  Karla GonzĆ”lez  to  Everyone:

scary

15:16:49 From  Aurie Contosta  to  Everyone:

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15:16:50 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

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15:16:51 From  Andreea Å»ak  to  Everyone:

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15:16:51 From  Abi Flanagan (she/her)  to  Everyone:

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15:16:52 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

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15:16:52 From  Adam Busch he/him  to  Everyone:

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15:16:54 From  Christopher Richmond  to  Everyone:

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15:16:54 From  Cynthia Franklin  to  Everyone:

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15:16:56 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

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15:16:56 From  Ray Eads  to  Everyone:

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15:16:56 From  Steve Langer  to  Everyone:

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15:16:58 From  Sue Lickorish  to  Everyone:

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15:17:00 From  Philippe Koffi  to  Everyone:

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15:17:00 From  Julio j. Martinez  to  Everyone:

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15:17:02 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

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15:17:05 From  TVCC – Kim Benincasa (she/her)  to  Everyone:

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15:17:11 From  MOnica Rotner  to  Everyone:

If macro clients then 10

15:17:11 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

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15:17:20 From  Mo Yee Lee  to  Everyone:

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15:17:41 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

I want to want to and have started

15:17:42 From  MOnica Rotner  to  Everyone:

Im super interested in the value of this!

15:17:45 From  Steve Langer  to  Everyone:

Done it before

15:17:55 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

I’m a professional writer

15:17:57 From  Andreea Å»ak  to  Everyone:

having a good case from start to end, experience in writting, time to do it

15:17:59 From  TVCC – Kim Benincasa (she/her)  to  Everyone:

I see clients, and see how helpful this would be

15:18:02 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Already thinking and writing about clients all the time

15:18:03 From  Adam Busch he/him  to  Everyone:

I’ve read SF case studies in text books and research articles so have a sense of what it looks like. And remember case studies from school

15:18:05 From  Centrum Terapii CTK  to  Everyone:

I simply see clients

15:18:08 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

We support others in writing

15:18:10 From  Cynthia Franklin  to  Everyone:

I have access and work with Practice communities and have done it before. I get paid to do it.

15:18:16 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

We have video recordings of SF conversations.

15:18:24 From  Philippe Koffi  to  Everyone:

I have support for that

15:18:28 From  MOnica Rotner  to  Everyone:

ive done some videotaped  macro sessions

15:18:35 From  Keiko Yoneyama-Sims  to  Everyone:

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15:18:35 From  Aurie Contosta  to  Everyone:

I have the base, clients / research, wrote in the past and did it before. What’s scaring me is the once a year/consistent basis. šŸ˜›

15:18:37 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

I’m super excited about doing research – looking at SF dialogue

15:18:56 From  Sue Lickorish  to  Everyone:

I’ve done scary things before!!! šŸ™‚

15:19:22 From  Keiko Yoneyama-Sims  to  Everyone:

lack of experience, totally not good writer, but 2 because I am interested and very very want some topics to gain more lights

15:19:40 From  TVCC – Kim Benincasa (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Have a conversation with our research department to explore the idea!

15:19:45 From  Taylor Yates she/her  to  Everyone:

Make a connection

15:19:48 From  Andreea Å»ak  to  Everyone:

make a commitment

15:19:48 From  Adam Busch he/him  to  Everyone:

listening to this presentation I hope will bump me up 1 šŸ™‚

15:19:50 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

Start measuring things today

15:19:53 From  Steve Langer  to  Everyone:

Start writing up something I have presented

15:19:53 From  Sue Lickorish  to  Everyone:

find out what makes a good write up

15:19:56 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

bringing people together that are interested

15:19:57 From  Keiko Yoneyama-Sims  to  Everyone:

move up on scale, email Dr. Jordan

15:19:57 From  Ray Eads  to  Everyone:

Identify partners in the community

15:19:58 From  Abi Flanagan (she/her)  to  Everyone:

To see examples

15:20:07 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

Start

15:20:08 From  Sara Jordan  to  Everyone:

Yes, JSFP is a wonderful place to submit your work to make a difference

15:20:12 From  Centrum Terapii CTK  to  Everyone:

why 10% only?! I will make a note about something I wish to write about

15:20:16 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

Start and connect

15:20:53 From  Christopher Richmond  to  Everyone:

Finding connections here with people sharing similar research interests!

15:21:41 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

People will start seeing themselves as explorers of their own work…

15:21:49 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

even more…

15:21:56 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

and they would share that

15:22:05 From  Centrum Terapii CTK  to  Everyone:

I will write few lines a day at least

15:22:10 From  Julio j. Martinez  to  Everyone:

skipped my coffee

15:22:24 From  Brigitte Lavoie  to  Everyone:

Sending a text to Sara so she could see if that can go in the Journal

15:22:28 From  Cynthia Franklin  to  Everyone:

I would work in a world where the research university would be restructured to support practitioner research

15:22:36 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Excited by range of ideas and practices from colleagues

15:22:37 From  Philippe Koffi  to  Everyone:

I would talk about that idea with mu colleagues

15:22:38 From  Sara Jordan  to  Everyone:

I will see TONS of JSFP submissions

15:22:40 From  Sue Lickorish  to  Everyone:

I would have an idea of what would be valuable to share

15:22:53 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

I would have more conversations about that and be able to encourage others to write more and share their work in a structured way

15:22:55 From  Brigitte Lavoie  to  Everyone:

Let people know what we already know

15:23:23 From  Mo Yee Lee  to  Everyone:

We are all talking enthusiastically about innovative ideas on practice and research.

15:23:49 From  Sue Lickorish  to  Everyone:

I have no quantitative data. it would be all qualititative.

15:23:59 From  Aurie Contosta  to  Everyone:

The research award committee will have a tough job each year!

15:24:05 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

I will be asking my team about when they would like to write.  Ask them what will it take to start ?  That will encourage me to get started and take the lead

15:24:14 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

I’d check with the Journal to see if they take little bits of, say, little idea articles.

15:24:47 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

unicorns are scary

15:24:58 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

horns

15:25:27 From  Taylor Yates she/her  to  Everyone:

Keep a journal

15:25:27 From  Centrum Terapii CTK  to  Everyone:

as said – few lines a day

15:25:41 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

email Sara

15:25:44 From  Adam Busch he/him  to  Everyone:

brig this to clinical supervision as a goal to start

15:25:47 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

OOOOh  stealing Taylor’s idea

15:25:48 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

Sit together with Elfie next week

15:25:52 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

getting material out that we started to work on already

15:25:54 From  Christopher Richmond  to  Everyone:

Reading more SF journal articles and writing out study ideas

15:26:18 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Get out my notes on unfinished articles

15:26:30 From  Andreea Å»ak  to  Everyone:

organize time to write more

15:26:37 From  Cynthia Franklin  to  Everyone:

Keep writing…

15:26:43 From  Keiko Yoneyama-Sims  to  Everyone:

Love that scaling!

15:26:52 From  Keiko Yoneyama-Sims  to  Everyone:

Love that ā€œWriting timeā€ idea.

15:26:56 From  Brigitte Lavoie  to  Everyone:

Get an unicorn

15:27:07 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

Ask people here to tap me on the shoulder about what my next step will be

15:27:09 From  Taylor Yates she/her  to  Everyone:

Be brave

15:27:14 From  Sue Lickorish  to  Everyone:

to set an intention to get brave about this šŸ˜€

15:27:17 From  Philippe Koffi  to  Everyone:

find exemples of research forms

15:27:27 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

in Austria/Switzerland we conduct Research.Meetings where we discuss SF research – in these meetings spreading the idea of the importance of writing

15:27:31 From  Aurie Contosta  to  Everyone:

Partnering with other practitioners

15:27:54 From  Karla GonzĆ”lez  to  Everyone:

scheduling time to write

15:28:22 From  Taylor Yates she/her  to  Everyone:

SF writing retreat

15:28:30 From  Centrum Terapii CTK  to  Everyone:

find notes about the article I wished to send to Journal time ago

15:28:48 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

SF writing retreat – you can do that online šŸ™‚

15:29:06 From  Christopher Richmond  to  Everyone:

Truth

15:29:13 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

Suggest to the SFBTA board that we start an SF practitioner/researcher BLOG on the website

15:29:21 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

love it

15:30:06 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

Matt, I really LOVE your presentation! Thank you!

15:30:29 From  Sara Jordan  to  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)(Direct Message):

SUCH a wonderful presentation!!! VERY needed for research day

15:30:43 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

Awesome presentation Matt

15:30:43 From  Katalin Hankovszky  to  Everyone:

Haha, 2016 we made an SF Research Camp… maybe this would be a good idea to re-try

15:30:44 From  Karla GonzĆ”lez  to  Everyone:

Matt, you are a rock star!

15:30:53 From  Sue Lickorish  to  Everyone:

very thought-provoking and encouraging, thanks Matt

15:31:16 From  Centrum Terapii CTK  to  Everyone:

Where did you get such a brilliant idea for such an inspiring presentation?

15:31:35 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

Here is the Virtual Background for Matt’s presentation šŸ™‚

15:32:08 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Wonderful presentation, Mattl

15:32:24 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Look forward to the article

15:32:28 From  Aurie Contosta  to  Everyone:

I love it Dominik!!!

15:32:52 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

LOL Dominik!

15:33:09 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

Another reason practice lags research by 17 years, in the medical field, is that most practitioners base most of their work on what they learned in school, and the schools themselves often run on tradition vs research and/or evidence

15:33:21 From  Sue Lickorish  to  Everyone:

has anyone done research with ADHD brains…. dare I even ask about this here?

15:34:14 From  Karla GonzĆ”lez  to  Everyone:

Sue we are going to have some time to network in a few minutes!!

15:34:16 From  Sue Lickorish  to  Everyone:

if I could whip my ADHD brain into shape, I’d find my microscope……..

15:36:32 From  Cynthia Franklin  to  Everyone:

Reading about an evidence based practice does not mean someone can do it.  Need different and affordable ways to disseminate through training, supervision, and consultation approaches to speed it up.

15:37:33 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Part of that blog that Jay recommended could be informing about new findings

15:38:33 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

Where do we (SF folks) offer the sort of research findings that you can find on, say, the British Psychological Society Digest? A task for the Journal? Or SFBTA website? I’d love to get involved in that!

15:39:56 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

I would love to see you involved in that, Jay!

15:40:25 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Go Jay!

15:40:55 From  Brigitte Lavoie  to  Everyone:

We need for the information to be palatable

15:41:09 From  Christopher Richmond  to  Everyone:

Providing more support (financial and otherwise) to Ph.D. and MA students conducting SF research

15:41:33 From  Keiko Yoneyama-Sims  to  Everyone:

workshops? seminar based on the research paper, like book club?

15:41:39 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

Centralize the research and summarize it regularly where everyone knows where to look – worldwide

15:41:49 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

Regular research meetings

15:42:11 From  Andreea Å»ak  to  Everyone:

Research articles should be made available to trainers in a free or low-cost way. This way the research is send directly up-to-date during the training of new practitioners

15:42:11 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

Online and presence format that invite a regular exchange

15:42:29 From  Cynthia Franklin  to  Everyone:

What we are doing is open access and summarizing studies is a small step we are already doing it. Open access. Blast it into social media.  Practice updates like is being discussed. Make it visual and quick access.

15:42:46 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

Keep talking, doing more of what’s working,  supervising.

15:42:58 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

A lot of researchers offer their own papers on ResearchGate, even when the journals are not open.

15:42:59 From  Taylor Yates she/her  to  Everyone:

Brigitte is so lovely

15:43:11 From  MarĆ­aAmelia Barrera  to  Everyone:

I agree regular research meetings

15:43:15 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

Plus also keep doing the excellent work the research committee is doing in continuing the work that Alisdair McDonalds started with the research list

15:43:43 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Lovely idea! Thanks Brigitte

15:43:43 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

https://www.sfbta.org/current-research

15:44:00 From  Pamela King  to  Everyone:

As a 25 year practitioner I don’t feel competent to do research. I would love to partner with a researcher

15:44:01 From  Jay E. Valusek  to  Everyone:

Matt: wonderful stuff!

15:44:14 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

Loved this – thanks Matt.  Thanks everyone

15:44:14 From  Brigitte Lavoie  to  Everyone:

Really good food for thoughts

15:44:14 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

Thank you!!

15:44:16 From  Keiko Yoneyama-Sims  to  Everyone:

Thank you for presenting Matt!

15:44:17 From  TVCC – Kim Benincasa (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Thank you so much for this presentation.  You have me thinking….

15:44:17 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

Thank you Matt!

15:44:19 From  Centrum Terapii CTK  to  Everyone:

Matthew, I have a comment rather than a question. I want to thank you for what you said about the value of writing about individual cases sudiers and not just statistical studies.in my mind i have two barriers: i am not a researcher nor am i anglophone. what you said makes a difference.

15:44:20 From  Sara Jordan  to  Everyone:

Thank you SO much!!!

15:44:30 From  Cynthia Franklin  to  Everyone:

Thanks Matthew!

15:44:36 From  MarĆ­aAmelia Barrera  to  Everyone:

Thank you!!!

15:44:38 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

So excellent Matt

15:45:08 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

Where can I get that unicorn backround??

15:46:04 From  Andreea Å»ak  to  Everyone:

Here is SF research list made by the EBTA as a continuation of Alasdair MacDonald:http://u0154874.cp.regruhosting.ru/evaluationlist/

15:46:28 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

Wonderful! Thank you for sharing that, Andreea!

15:46:56 From  Keiko Yoneyama-Sims  to  Everyone:

I learn more about different application of SF. get some connection.  Seeing some friends.

15:47:44 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

PAAAAM!!!! šŸ™‚

15:48:17 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

This has filled my heart and head

15:48:18 From  Andreea Å»ak  to  Everyone:

You can access the SF Research list directly from the EBTA site here, at the end of the page: https://www.ebta.eu/taskgroups/

15:48:19 From  Shaema Imam  to  Everyone:

As a master’s student I am star-struck to see so many writers of the journal articles I read all in one spot :-)! You all seem really kind and welcoming! It is inspiring!

15:49:31 From  Andreea Å»ak  to  Everyone:

https://www.ebta.eu/taskgroups/ – on the sf research taskgroup

15:49:32 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

Those ORS/SRS scales are great

15:50:12 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

N=1 IS ALSO OKAY

15:50:17 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

N=YOU is Also okay!

15:50:46 From  Pamela King  to  Everyone:

That is inspiring Jay, Thanks!

15:50:57 From  Michele Orr she/her – Australia  to  Everyone:

Yeah Jay !

15:51:20 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

There are so many levels of research, RCT is great, but there’s so much more šŸ™‚ Awesome work Jay!

15:51:34 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

Yes, so inspiring what you say!

15:52:33 From  Sue Lickorish  to  Everyone:

is there some basic format that we amateurs could use as a template, even for our N=1 work?

15:53:18 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

I love that question, Sue!

15:53:29 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

Excellent question – and I bet the journal could make one

15:53:31 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

šŸ˜€

15:54:37 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

Here you’ll find their email addresses: https://www.sfbta.org/research-committee

15:55:27 From  Keiko Yoneyama-Sims  to  Everyone:

It is a mystery and rocket science to me…. so the template and guide will be helpful to feel less overwhelmed.

15:55:40 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

Keiko we can work together!

15:55:42 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

šŸ™‚

15:55:50 From  Taylor Yates she/her  to  Everyone:

A case study template or a practice note template is a great idea!

15:55:52 From  Heather Fiske (she/her)  to  Everyone:

Could be a regular lunch meeting at the conference—Come along and talk to some researchers

15:56:01 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

YESSSS

15:56:20 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

ignorance and “dumb questions” is the start of all research

15:56:21 From  Keiko Yoneyama-Sims  to  Everyone:

Love Heather’s idea!!!

15:56:26 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

I like this idea Heather… and wonder if this could be also a thing for like an online lunch meeting or so

15:56:30 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

SFBTA Research Committee: https://www.sfbta.org/research-committee

15:56:34 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

Yes Elfie!

15:56:36 From  Keiko Yoneyama-Sims  to  Everyone:

Matt we need to connect

15:56:48 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

I would love a quarterly (or monthly) brief meetup

15:56:51 From  Matthew L. Schwartz (Buffalo, NY; He/Him/His)  to  Everyone:

Keiko YES šŸ™‚

15:56:52 From  Pamela King  to  Everyone:

Heather, great idea, could even be a breakout tomorrow.

15:58:10 From  Mo Yee Lee  to  Everyone:

Heather, I really like your idea, plus we can have lunch together:)

15:58:12 From  Julie Dubuc  to  Everyone:

I’m far from being a searcher. This afternoon made me appreciate in a very high way the importance of the researches in the SFBT ecosystem. Thank your very much.

15:58:12 From  Dominik Godat  to  Everyone:

Yes, that would be a wonderful open space session tomorrow

15:58:47 From  Taylor Yates she/her  to  Everyone:

What if we had a special journal issue dedicated to practitioner research/articles?

15:59:21 From  Pamela King  to  Everyone:

Taylor, love that idea.

15:59:23 From  Sara Jordan  to  Everyone:

Yes, we can have a planned special section of an issue dedicated to this

15:59:32 From  Elfie Czerny  to  Everyone:

Awesome!

15:59:35 From  Pamela King  to  Everyone:

Yes Sara

15:59:36 From  Sara Jordan  to  Everyone:

Taylor, email me if you would like to head that up

15:59:56 From  Taylor Yates she/her  to  Everyone:

Oh I have given. Myself work! Sure!

S3E2: Join me at the SFBTA Conference

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Hi Everyone,

Welcome back to Dispatches from the Social Work Desk! 

I am getting super excited for the Solution Focused Brief Therapy Association’s annual conference coming up next month.

While my practice is now almost entirely Financial Social Work, what’s nice about Solution Focused Brief Therapy is that it can be applied to therapy, coaching, nutrition, nursing, medicine, banking, accounting, rugby (yes, really, I’m working with a referee in New Zealand right now on laying that groundwork), and – yes of course, Financial Social Work.

The heart of Solution Focused Brief Therapy, or coaching, as devised by Insoo Kim Berg and Steve DeSchazer is: where are you right now? Where do you want to be? What do you need to get there? What are the barriers? What have you done in similar situations in the past? If you haven’t had similar situations, what might work? When is the problem LESS of a problem (even if you’ve had 365 bad days, they’ve been 365 different days, and they aren’t all going to be equally bad). What made those days that were less bad, less bad? Do more of what’s working, stop doing what isn’t working.

In the application of Solution Focused practice to Financial Social Work, I’m happy that they – essentially – go hand in hand. While there are disagreements about what role the transtheoretical model of behavioral change plays in SF practice, it’s one of the driving forces behind Financial Social Work, and also Motivational Interviewing.

Solution Focused practice (for me) has always been the other side of the Motivation Interviewing, or MI coin: great, now that you’re motivated, what are we going to do about it? How do we take this opportunity to have that motivation also be therapeutic.

I’m excited, as always, to learn from my colleagues. See old friends (and make new ones) and of course learn and see the best in new research.

I’m particularly excited to announce that I’ll be giving a talk on the conference’s research day (Friday, November 12), to discuss how to involve the practitioner community of SFBT with the research world (and vice versa) and how to implement research within one’s own practice…doubly so, because this is essentially the heart of my doctoral work right now, and the main crux of the Doctor of Social Work (DSW) program at the University at Buffalo. So yes, please, I will happily accept a microphone and share my doctoral passion with anyone who wants to listen (I promise, it will be brief, and interesting).

As Insoo Kim Berg used to say: the difference between a Solution Focused Brief Therapist and a Solution Focused Brief Coach is that the coaches make more money (painfully true) – so whether you’re a therapist, a coach, a nutritionist, a financial social worker, or just someone who wants to find a way to integrate the Solution Focused philosophy into your work (architecture? design? cooking?) I encourage you to join us.

Please head over to the conference website www.SFBTAConference.org, and register today. Admission is donation/by suggestion/sliding scale, and the conference is going to be virtual this year (again) instead of Las Vegas because of this whole pandemic that we’re all still living in.

Now, it’s time to clean up my home office (in a solution focused way – yes you can be a solution focused cleaner!) so I can start my work week nice and fresh.

Today’s background music is by 42 Meisterwerke (ID 1619) by Lobo Loco courtesy of the Free Music Archive through a Creative Commons License. Check them out at FreeMusicArchive.org

Thank you for listening. Please tune in again next week for more. You can find me on social media as @SocialWorkDesk on all the platforms that you’d think to look at. I’ll see you next week with more; until then, make good choices. 

S3E1: Welcome to Season 3

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Hi Everyone,

Welcome back to Dispatches from the Social Work Desk! Updated equipment, a (new and improved) home office setup…and about 100 different kinds of personal fires put out (you know, family members who needed brain surgery, loss of a beloved family pet, and all the other things that can throw us off track during these increasingly chaotic times).

Today we begin Season 3 of Dispatches From the Social Work Desk. Seasons are (now, at least) based on when the University at Buffalo begins its Fall Term. I find that, since 2002, I have been connected to UB’s calendar in some way or other, and what better marker on our journey of time than when the fall semester begins, Pumpkin Spice Latte’s are ready, and the leaves are changing colors to mark our seasons.

I figured today I would give you all a brief overview of where I’m at, with regard to my work and my research, and let you in on a bit of “what is implementation science.”

I continue to have my practice at the Community Behavioral Healthcare Center, though over the past year (one year this November) I have transitioned my case load largely from Mental Health and Substance Use, to a specialty practice: Financial Social Work. I see clients from both the Mental Health and SUD side of the agency, and I provide them with financial behavioral healthcare.

This means, I work with our clients to change how they relate (emotionally, and behaviorally) to finances: debt, spending, credit, saving, earning, and more. I work with all of our clients to change behaviors in order to reduce unnecessary/impulsive spending behaviors, and assist them in finding ways of reducing expenses while still living a more than austere life after we’ve stabilized their finances. I then work to empower clients to increase their income and savings (yes, even clients on SSI, and SSDI, and other government programs with means testing/restrictions). After our clients have stabilized their finances, increased their income, and assets, I then work with them to diversify their assets to empower them to achieve long term financial security (and hopefully to get off, and stay off, the system). It is exciting work. It is meaningful work. It is FUN work…and it combines my past history of work in accounting and finance, and my MBA with my MSW.

I am currently in the process of expanding our Financial Social Work program, with a lot of assistance from the Center for Financial Social Work, and its incredible founder and leader, Reeta Wolfsohn. I’m looking forward to beginning a Financial Social Work Residency program at my agency, to assist other clinicians in specializing in this field. More on that as it develops.

We are also in the middle of our fall term in my doctoral program, so I figured it would be a good time to share what on EARTH a DSW is, and what on EARTH I’m studying/going to do with it.

I’m a Doctor of Social Work student (that’s what the DSW is) at the University at Buffalo School of Social Work. In our DSW program (which, online, is advertised as a DSW in Social Welfare…which is equally non-informative) we study implementation science.

Implementation scientists work, on a very meta level, to serve as a bridge between the academic world (think, ivory towers), and the real world…where evidence based practice has to get translated into how agencies and clinicians actually work. Our goal is to take the average of 17 years (which is how long most research takes to filter out into the world) and reduce that number exponentially, to a matter of months. This means closing feedback loops, working with stakeholders and researchers, conducting our OWN research into implementation science and practice, and working to reduce close to two decades of time from publication to practice. 

In the end, the work that we’re doing in what is a relatively new field, will help agencies and individual practitioners implement  best practices in as close to real time as we can get. This means that the days of a researcher having a good idea, testing it on ONE demographic, and it taking 17 years to filter out and see if it can be used within other demographics…are over. It’s 2021. We have to be able to get meaningful research into the hands of those who need it in less time than it takes us to get to Mars right now (which, according to NASA, is 7 months). 

Implementation scientists and students are currently leading the way int his effort, and I’m proud to be in the second doctoral cohort of this program at UB as we define what this field will mean, and look like, within the lens and framework of Social Work values, and ethics.

Now, after what has been a ridiculous week, filled with shenanigans, I am going to finish assignment for class, and practice self-care.

Thank you for listening. Please tune in again nexts week for more. You can find me on social media as @SocialWorkDesk on all the platforms that you’d think to look. I’ll see you next week with more; until then, make good choices. 

Yes, I’m using my phone during this meeting.

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Yes, I’m using my phone during this meeting.

A question I’ve found myself asked at more than one meeting (work, committee, community, or otherwise) is “are you really on your phone during this meeting? I figured I’d share why “yes, I’m using my phone during this meeting” and “yes, my students are encouraged to use their phones in my class” has became a regular part of my self-advocacy, self-care, social worker vernacular. I may even make little cards with QR codes to hand out that link to this podcast.

This is an important topic. It’s important for disability rights, it’s important for students, it’s important for workers, and it’s important for the future of Social Work tech:

I can touch type on my phone as quickly if not more quickly than a keyboard, and certainly faster than I can write. Beyond speed, the main (and most important) difference is that I can put digital words to digital paper without the joint or muscle pain that accompanies typing or writing due to my rheumatoid arthritis and myositis. Yes I will, largely, be looking up at the speaker as they present or speak (it’s common courtesy, and it’s important to provide non-verbal feedback as a learner), but the speaker or presenter doesn’t need my unbreaking eye contact and undivided attention for me to understand and retain what they’re saying.

No one would ever be admonished for taking a brief moment in time to look down at their handwritten notes, and so I expect (and, since I set healthy boundaries, require) that the same courtesy is extended to me: whether I’m checking I typed a word correctly, or adding an event someone just shared to my calendar and then returning to the notepad app.

No I don’t write down protected health information (I don’t when writing on paper, either). Simply put, I use the most efficient tool for me to memorialize what you are saying, process it, think about it, remember it, and recall it later. That I have my phone out indicates that I care enough about what you have to say, to take notes on it, and to think about it later.

Solution Focused Practice calls on us to recognize that our clients and patients are the experts on themselves and their own lives. As practitioners, managers, leaders, and teachers we owe others (and ourselves) this same freedom and respect.

Episode 3: Self-Care & Sniffles

Welcome to TheMattSchwartz(Cast) where each week we dive into the world of Social Work in Mental Health & Counseling Settings and hopefully provide you with some inspiration to start your week! I’m your host, Matt Schwartz. This week’s episode is Episode 3: Self Care & Sniffles.

So last episode I said we would start getting into Caseload Management techniques, and we are…but then I came down with an awful chest infection, missed a couple of weeks of podcasting, went on a wonderful vacation to Vienna, Austria for the holidays, came back to work, had a blizzard (had the furnace go out on the first day of the blizzard), and then have been in a flareup for the past few days (we’ll get back to that in a minute).

During all of this, I had a bit of an epiphany: you can’t actually talk about Caseload Management in Social Work (clinical or otherwise) unless you first talk about self-care. Like…actual self-care. Meaningful self-care. For realsies self-care.

As social workers, we hear a lot about self-care – from the moment we enter Grad School, until the day we retire and beyond. We’re told to do yoga, drink water, seek supervision, meditate, find hobbies, and more. This is all, generally speaking, great advice. The University at Buffalo School of Social Work even has a fantastic Self Care Starter Kit on their website (which you can find at socialwork.buffalo.edu). All of these things are wonderful to do, and can help keep us centered and improve our wellness. However, no amount of tending to office plants (no matter how much I want to personally believe otherwise) will prevent burnout if we don’t make the necessary time for self-care, and if we don’t set up the appropriate, and necessary boundaries.

What I’ve found missing from the conversation – and I preface this with the standard disclaimer that these thoughts are my own, and don’t represent any organization I work for, have worked for, or may ever work for in the future – are two things. The first, is how are agencies actually supporting their workers in conducting self-care on the job (which I maintain is an ethical imperative)?; and the second is, how are we – as social workers – working to build it into our schedules, time management, and caseload management practices whether our employers or agencies want to support us in these endeavors or not? And I don’t mean in some covert way that Human Resources can never find out about. I mean in a very transparent ā€œI require self-care to do my job, and some of that self-care happens on the clock, look, it’s right there in my scheduleā€¦ā€ sort of way.

The answer that I have found for myself (and I promise we’ll get back to base camp if I bring us too far off the beaten path for a while) is Bullet Journaling, or BuJo-ing. I have always been a journaler, writer, blogger, and obsessive calendar keeper and office supply aficionado (some might even say hoarder)…I fell into Bullet Journaling a few years ago because it worked with how my brain worked (and it turns out that the inventor, Ryder Carroll and I have some similarities in that area, and I’m willing even to bet that parts of our notebooks might have even looked the same if we were to compare them back when we were in High School)…but Ryder found a way to really create a way of systemizing his process, and combining his method with CBT, mindfulness, and – while I don’t think it was intentional – even a bit of DBT.

I fell into BuJo-ing even further when I was a medical case manager, and – after having woken up almost entirely paralyzed one morning I entered a medical Odyssey for physical disabilities that I had never thought I’d have to consider. I grew up being neurologically divergent, and learning disabled…but I had never had to contend with physical disabilities or overtly visible disabilities…or chronic pain. I needed a way to walk into a medical professional’s office, and drop something down on a table with data about symptoms: dates, times, feelings, the weather when things happened, my blood sugar, any possible trigger that was nearby, where on my body things hurt. Something like two years later I finally had something as close to a solid diagnosis of a diagnosis as I would ever get. Rheumatoid Arthritis, Polymyositis, and Fibromyalgia.

So when Ryder Carroll released his book, last year, The Bullet Journal Method I was curious to read it; and incorporate it into my self-care practice at work (or more of it than I had gathered on the various FaceBook groups I had been a member of). I started rapid logging during the day as I went. Every single task (obviously no PHI, but reminders of things that needed to get done, events, thoughts, to-dos). I also continued to keep track of the internal side-eye toward things I had agreed to do, but that were likely time-sucks…or that I was beginning to feel were taking up time I could be otherwise using for other things…or that was becoming too physically hard on my body to justify continuing with (I’m super good at providing brain-support; but don’t ask me to show up at your board meeting or committee meeting, it probably won’t happen, especially if it’s after a full’s day work).

Through my own practices, buttressed by Ryder Carroll’s and the BuJo community (which is an endlessly supportive community online, by the way) I was able to become more mindful of my time (to say nothing of always being on top of my case notes, treatment plans, and other tasks). I continue to monitor my symptoms…and I continue to focus on my self-care. Through mindfulness, and intentionality of ā€œwhy am I doing this? (which Ryder preachers a lot in his book) I was able to truly, for the first time, start saying ā€œnoā€ in a meaningful way (…mind you, the last convention I went to, I took a 45 minute workshop where we all stood up and practiced saying ā€œNoā€ together in a variety of different voices…so clearly it’s an issue in our field). Think of it as the KonMari method for ā€œDoes This Bring You Joyā€ but in your professional life. We can’t do everything. We can’t be everything to all people. We can’t save everyone. We have to take care of ourselves. To do that, we have to honestly, and as self-critically as possible look at where we are spending the incredible valuable amount of time we get a day…and then liberate as much of it as is ethically and feasibly possible and possible to do.

So next Sunday when I share with you some of my custom made templates for case management (who doesn’t love a good DOC/PDF download combo?) I’m going to entreat you to think about your own intentionality, your own time management (at home and at work), your own boundaries first. I’m going to ask you to reflect on why you’re doing what you’re doing…because if we can’t manage our own time effectively, if we can’t determine how and when we’re going to take care of ourselves: at work, at home, with friends, on the road…then we’re going to burn out. I’m also going to ask that when the notion of self-care comes up at work (as no doubt it will) that we begin discussing these things openly, and at a deeper level than squish balls and water bottles.

2018 was a hard year for most of us (despite some amazing successes, personal growth, and transformations). Let’s make sure that we practice radical self-care in 2019, even if we have to bring our agencies kicking and screaming forward into the future with us…because we need you to remain a Social Worker from now until you retire…and then we need you to become a mentor after that. The world needs you and your talents…and we all lose out if you leave the field of Social Work due to burn out.

The music you’re listening to in the background today is Boston Landing on ā€œBlue Dot Sessionsā€ generously shared through a creative commons license, found through the Free Music Archive. Please find more of their music at www.sessions.blue. You can interact with me on twitter by @ā€˜ing TheMattSchwartz. I’ll see you next week, until then, make good choices.

Episode 1: What’s Better This Week?

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Welcome to TheMattSchwartz(Cast)! where we dive into the world of Social Work in Mental Health & Counseling Settings, and hopefully provide you with some inspiration to start your week! I’m your host, Matt Schwartz, this week’s episode is Episode 1: What’s Better This Week?

I figured I would start the show off by asking listeners (and readers, if you’re reading the transcript, because if we attempt to be anything here, it’s inclusive and accessible) the same first question that I ask every patient who comes into my office each week: ā€œWhat’s Better This Week?”

I learned to ask this question as part of my training in Solutions Focused Therapy, when I was an intern at the Family Solutions Center in the Cheektowaga-Sloan School District.

It’s an interesting question because usually, responses will fall into one of three categories:

  1. Something’s Better
  2. Everything’s Stayed the Same or
  3. Things have gotten worse.

(I say usually because patients or clients can always surprise you).

What’s important from a solutions-focused perspective, is that, no matter what response our patients are giving us to this question, we’re reframing it to show them their strengths, and their own capabilities.

So if a patient says that something’s better this week, like they had a behavioral change, or they got an A on an exam, or they got a raise, my follow up question is always ā€œwow, how’d you make that happen?ā€

If a patient says ā€œMan, everything’s just staying the same!ā€ I usually say something to the affect of ā€œthat’s incredible – what did you do to make sure that nothing slid backwards? How did you make sure that nothing got worse? What’d you have to do to make that happen?ā€

And if a patient says ā€œit’s all terrible, and here’s all of the horrible things that happened to me this past weekā€ I’ll usually respond with ā€œwow, that sounds really hard – how have you been coping?ā€

In each one of these scenarios, We’re showing the patient that they’ve been using their strengths and their coping skills. In the last scenario, sometimes patients will say ā€œI haven’t been coping!ā€ and that’s sometimes a very good entryway to review how they got to your office (which, counseling – in and of itself can be a coping skill), and then review with them that since they’re sitting in front of you they must have used some coping skills this week…and even if they weren’t the quote un quote best coping skills, they used them, and they’re still here.

Please feel free interact and respond to us online over on Twitter by tweeting @TheMattSchwartz. Let me know what’s better this week, and please let me know if there’s something specific you’d like to see on the show. I don’t really have a set agenda, except to cover the day-to-day/week-to-week world of Social Work in Mental Health and Counseling Settings. Since I believe that we are called upon (no matter what setting) to function at the micro, mezzo, and macro levels, this show will address how that plays out in the Mental Health and Counseling world, and I hope to bring in a little Social Work History as Well.

While I don’t like to ā€œfan the flamesā€ too much about the differences that exist within the different helping professions, sometimes I think that some of us (especially those of us who are doing psychotherapy daily) forget the importance in recognizing the differences in each of our professions, philosophies and histories, and the strengths that lie in recognizing those differences when we look at what each of the helping professions brings to the table. So expect some interesting (or what I think is interesting) historical-is-today think pieces on Mary Ellen Richmond, Jane Addams, and others as the program goes along.

Well, that’s all for today, as I go to practice self care with my cat, Akiva, who you might have heard in the background. Remember, you got into this profession for a reason, and this profession needs you – so please, take care of yourself, so you can continue helping others take care of themselves.

The music you’re listening to in the background today is Boston Landing on ā€œBlue Dot Sessions” generously shared through a creative commons license. Please find more of their music at www.sessions.blue, that’s w-w-w- dot s-e-s-s-i-o-n-s- dot b-l-u-e. I’ll see you next Sunday; until then, make good choices.